Unless you atribute all that to sex, which fails to explain trans people. (As trans people are not just people with a sex that have a different social expression, they FEEL different)(edited)
2:10 PM
Unless you say being trans is a social thing which is somehow learnt in society, which i dont think correlates with evidence. (As it would imply there is a easy way to trigger/avoid someone being trans through nurture)(edited)
2:13 PM
I dont think children LEARN from society to FEEL like men or women and to identify with their body or not.
2:14 PM
They do learn to behave in certain ways, and that is the social aspect. How they feel though is gender.
I see what you’re saying but from my understanding when it comes to hormones, they don’t really have any correlation on behaviors.
At the end of the day gender is complicated and deeply personal. The human experience is weird and sometimes illogical
Milk
I see what you’re saying but from my understanding when it comes to hormones, they don’t really have any correlation on behaviors.
At the end of the day gender is complicated and deeply personal. The human experience is weird and sometimes illogical
Sorry I should have been more clear when I responded to Destin.
I don’t disagree that hormones can affect behavior but hormones do not cause certain behaviors. Hormones communicate with the nervous system which can prompt sensations in the body leading to behavior. People retain a say in their behavior, though hormones may affect judgement and decision making
Rusty
Estrogen can make people more emotional and quicker to become excited and testosterone can make people feel less emotional and.... more horny
of course you always have a choice, but your hormones is a huge factor in your feelings and thought proccesses which will lead you to a different choice than you may have without that same set of hormones
3:41 PM
Every person, no matter their sex, will have estrogen and testosterone its just that the sexes have different amounts
That’s fair. I hoped I didn’t sound like I was invalidating the way it can affect one mentally and emotionally! That wasn’t my aim at all. I was just trying to clarify my language
Rusty
but then they end up with issues like growing beards, which can cause dysphoria in cis women because their bodies are giving them male traits.
Yes sometimes, not all the times. I’m afab and have PCOS so I naturally produce a fuck ton of testosterone I’m not supposed to cause there’s cysts on my ovaries that decide to make it. I have more body hair than most cis women but no beard. It’s different for everyone
I have no need for T, I cut my hair short and that was enough to have strangers mistake me for a guy quite often, the only thing thats giving it away now is my voice which you can change with voice training enough to be passable. c:
3:50 PM
A bit ago a kid was having an arguement with his mom because he was convinced I was a guy which made me super happy
Well, i mean, for example cis men can feel depressed or low mood and low libido for a lack of testosterone, i dont know how that works in trans men though
I dont think thats the case with what im talking about, but i would need to re-look it up
3:55 PM
I think its purely hormonal
3:58 PM
Well aparently low testosteron in women can also cause that, of course, low testosteron in women is much lower than in men
3:58 PM
'Depression, anxiety, irritability, and other mood changes are common in men and women with low T. However, researchers aren’t sure what causes the correlation. Testosterone therapy can boost the mood of many people with low T, particularly older adults.'
No but like
You can't isolate the person from the physical changes that come with testosterone
So you can't know if it was because of the hormone's effect on the brain, or because of the physical changes that their mood changed
stuff like, comparing the mood increase between people that live temporaly without mirrors or people with different levels of socialization, if you prove some statistically significant difference and see how the effect is correlated with socialization you could answer what i was wondering, it would just be difficult
Of course i dont mean actual notable visual anatomicall differences, i mean that male brains are likely predisposed to have a male identity (this might be triggered by hormones though, i dont know)
Luminesce: In simple terms it's probably true for a given trans person, but getting technical, my tulpas don't experience dysphoria when switched because of how they think about the body(edited)
8:19 PM
Me and the body being male, them being female
8:20 PM
It's probably possible to think your body doesn't fit "you" without having actual negative feelings about it, though that's less common than... having negative feelings about it
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
They do learn to behave in certain ways, and that is the social aspect. How they feel though is gender.
Its like any other body thing people feel dysphoria about (or insecure, i think the two are similar, since the Definition of dysphoria has to do with a Feeling of unease or dissatisfaction of something)
8:23 PM
Oops
Reisen
It's probably possible to think your body doesn't fit "you" without having actual negative feelings about it, though that's less common than... having negative feelings about it
Also i couldnt say for sure because obviously i dont know much about how trans people work
But i feel like trans people may not even exist without being taught what gender is
trans people (almost always) know they are trans (know their body doesnt fit their identity) way before they have the ability to even understand what gender is(edited)
berockly (TTG)
Also i couldnt say for sure because obviously i dont know much about how trans people work
But i feel like trans people may not even exist without being taught what gender is
Luminesce: Hard to study since that's very destructive to their psyches and makes it hard if not impossible to ever fit back into society again though(edited)
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